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Title: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Sep 30 2004, 03:35
It would be great to meet up with some people from this forum and take on Mt. Elbrus.

I have a suggestion. We use Pilgrim Tours as operator, the same as 7summits use for their trips. The only difference is that we do it ourselves, after all isnät that a part of the pleasure? I don't want to ride a skilift more then half-way up the mountain...

Their lite package is roughtly 100 Euros = approx. 120 USD. The price is dependant on the number of members in the team...

We go to Moscow and meet up there. Stay in a hotel for 1 night before we go off to MinVody. The internal flight is about $200 USD, we use the service for transport to MSD Lodge and stay there for a night before we start working ourselves up the mountain. Stay in tents and cook our own meals and everything...

I haven't done any real calculations but I think the trip would cost about $500 excluding airfare to and from Moscow to your destination...



Trunl, this is a great chance for you mate.

I've checked out the prices for you for airfare from Texas to Moscow, return flight with LuftHansa.

Route
Austin, TX - BERGSTROM INTL. (AUS) > Chicago - O'Hare International (ORD) > Frankfurt/Main International (FRA) > Moscow - Sheremetyevo (SVO) > Frankfurt/Main International (FRA) > Chicago - O'Hare International (ORD) > Austin, TX - BERGSTROM INTL. (AUS) 

Price is approx. $1055

I would love to have you with the "expedition".

Hopefully some more members on this forum will be interested in joining!


Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: trunl on Sep 30 2004, 04:43
id love to but my parents would not let me unless they got to meet with you first.... and i doubt that....

if you can come to texas and meet my parents, i would be glad to. i would work really hard to your rough estimate of $2000 all by myself.


trunl
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: trunl on Sep 30 2004, 04:45
*earn your rough estimate.....


i forgot the word earn.


trunl
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: trunl on Sep 30 2004, 04:47
if you can make it June/July 2007, ill be in.  ;D ;D (ill be 18).



(ill now stop posting  ::) ::))

trunl
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Sep 30 2004, 04:55
Arf, 2007  :o  :o  :o

Actually I wouldn't mind going back there then either but I am going next summer... Don't want to plan for 2007 though, at least not a mountain I will most likely have summited by then.

And, actually the estimate is $1500-1600 total, not $2000...

Sorry to say that I can't see myself going to Austin to meet your parents though... I'm not made of money  ;)
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: tanner on Sep 30 2004, 07:40
I'd love to go....my dad and I were talking at dinner last night about where to go before I leave for college. Elbrus was one of the ones that come up. Just have to find a second job and we'll be up for it (my dad and I). $2,000 isn't too much money to save up
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Sep 30 2004, 09:09
That sounds great! Anyone else? Maybe some of the hardcore mountaineers like Ron or Harry?  O0
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Daisy on Sep 30 2004, 15:55
Hello Trunl,

maybe it wouldn't be necessary for Buddha to go all the way to Texas. Maybe your parents could communicate with him by phone / email / video conference! something...write letters, send pictures. There should be a way in this day and age without having to travel 1000s of miles...maybe one (or two) of your family could even travel to Russia with you - not to climb but they could at least wait on in Moscow or somewhere near the mountain while you're climbing. Just a thought. I think it would be a great experience for you and a good opportunity to meet others who share your passion. You are really lucky that you discovered mountaineering so early in your life (unlike me who is 30 and suffering from bad knees  ;) ), you have so many opportunities ahead of you and lots of time so don't even worry if you can't make it to Elbrus this time.

Good luck, I hope it works out. Where there's a will theres a way!
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Corsair on Sep 30 2004, 19:03
Good idea Buddha, to meet some fellow persons from the 7summits forum in Caucasus. I'll be in the area in June/July next year, even though I probably wont climb Elbrus. Once is enough. My main objectives are Donguz Orun (next door to Elbrus) and some peaks in the Bezengi area. Possibly also a peak in Adil Su valley - Djan Tugan.
The peaks there are excellent for acclimatization for Elbrus btw.

Let's keep in contact and maybe we can have a dinner or camp together over there in beautiful Caucasus. Always interesting to see who you guys are "live".
 ;)
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Tjaldor on Sep 30 2004, 19:24
Always interesting to see who you guys are "live".
 ;)


Had been funny if it turned out that everyone was 30-40 kg over their match-weight :_[ and no-one knew upside down on their newly bought climbing equiptment ;D
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: MikeW on Sep 30 2004, 21:59
Sorry guys, I just climbed and summited Elbrus this summer (it was really a blast!), and I was with Pilgrim Tours. They are a good group of people. Have some fun while in the Caucasus, those mountains are beautiful (don't drink too much vodka, trust me! ;D)

By the way, I'm going to Aconcagua this January, anyone interested!!!

MikeW
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Daisy on Sep 30 2004, 22:30
Hi Mike,

When in January are you going? I will be on Aconcagua in January, arriving on the 27th December so may see you there!

I will try to get time off work for Elbrus lads so please keep me posted...


Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: MikeW on Oct 1 2004, 01:24
Hi Daisy!

I'll be on Aconcagua from January 9 for 3 weeks. Tell me what company you are using so I'll try to spot you. I don't yet know with whom I'll be going.

MikeW
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Ron on Oct 1 2004, 02:03
Hey peeps,

Mt elbrus sounds interesting but only on ski to (and powder) :P
Ill think about it

How our these nearby mountains Corsair, any hard climbing?
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: mattyl on Oct 1 2004, 03:00
elbrus sounds good, you can probably count me in im heading there next summer anyway. just got back from a winter ascent of aconcagua and am desperate to get out on another expedition
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: MoT on Oct 1 2004, 03:38
Hey MikeW!

I'm also going to be over there in January - probably starting December 30th or 31st! I'm part of an Irish group of five (unguided). Going via the Vacas Valley approach...

Might see you there!

(You too Daisy  :P )



But back to the point - I'm looking at possibly climbing Elbrus next June via the Southwest Shoulder approach - was going to do it this year but hadn't the funds. Anyone interested in this one? Bear in mind it's across glaciers with plenty of crevasse risk low down and quite an isolated route - you have to bring all your supplies, tents, ropes, ice screws etc... Just an idea I'm playing with. I mightn't get the time off work anyway!
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Corsair on Oct 1 2004, 05:18
Ron,

Djan Tugan is easy. Beautiful peak! I was going for it this summer but there was an accident at the foot of the peak. A Polish climber fell into a crevasse, broke both legs and got skull injuries. Had to help out a bit and after that incident, I somehow lost the inspiration of climbing the peak. Went for another one instead - Uyatay.
http://mountains.tos.ru/kopylov/pict/g46.gif

Donguz Orun.
I don't know much about the peak, it just looks nice from a distance. I can imagine it's a lot of risk involved climbing some of the routes in summer.
http://mountains.tos.ru/kopylov/pict/g39.gif

Bezengi.
All mountains there are hard. I would like to give Dychtau a go, but that is for sure on the limit of what I'm capable of. Koshtan is another interesting mountain.
Misses Tau is a favorite, but this summer it was constantly plagued by avalanches. Only dared to try out the first icefall and then i turned back.
http://mountains.tos.ru/kopylov/pict/migirg11.gif

Do you plan to head over for the Caucasus?
If everything goes according to the plan I have atm, I would like to hang around in the area for 4-6 weeks.
A great place, especially Bezengi!
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: tanner on Oct 1 2004, 09:17
speaking of the skiing....how hard is elbrus to descend on ski's? That would be a fun way down  :)
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Daisy on Oct 1 2004, 14:24
Hi MikeW

I will be going to Aconcagua with the Irish 7 Summits team so I think it will be hard to miss us...no doubt someone will be flying the flag! We'll be taking the Vacas route so hopefully we will meet up with MoT and his team too.

By the way MoT, how did the Bens go on Sunday? the knee feels sightly better so I hope to be able to head out with you and the lads soon. Getting really fed up of sitting it out here  :'(
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: MoT on Oct 1 2004, 18:01
Hey Daisy, we had to abort the twelve bens climb last sunday after 1 or 2 hours - dreadful conditions...  :(
Title: hello,we met in swoyambhu your frist trip in nepal(nepali student)
Post by: pradeep on Oct 1 2004, 19:04
hi ron,i am english pratise nepali student from nepal..
everyweek i see your website and get  some information about your climbing...
are you back in holland?how you doing?
see you....
pradeep!!!!!!!
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: MikeW on Oct 1 2004, 19:12
Hey Tanner!

I wanted to ski down Elbrus this summer, but they told me that I needed a guide to show me the way. That was b.s., it's really easy to find the way down this mountain. I should have brought my skis along, it would have been really great. But as we went to the summit, around the saddle, the clouds kicked in and we were in a whiteout condition that would have prevented me to ski down from the summit anyway. But from around 5100m, it would have possible and a lot easier to go down than by foot. And for all of the acclimatization hike, skiing down would have been great too.  :'(

So if you can, bring along your skis if you are able to ski on hard snow in the morning and corn snow in the afternoon!

MikeW
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: tanner on Oct 2 2004, 03:41
sounds good....maybe a snowboard though
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Ron on Oct 2 2004, 04:11
hey Pradeep

doing fine ..back in holland yeah Im recuperated from my trip

.how are you.
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Mari on Oct 22 2004, 13:35
Hi! I've planned to climb Elbrus next summer and late July would be the best date. I live in Finland right next to Russia&Moscow so travel costs shouldn't be too high  ;)

My climbing experience includes 7 yrs rock climbing and I'm familiar with basic crampon techniques. I've also done some technical mountaineering in northern Norway. Physical condition: very good.

Could I join in?
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Oct 25 2004, 08:01
Of course you can! Would be great to have another person along that knows a little Swedish! ;)
Where did you climb in Norway? Rjukan?
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Oct 25 2004, 09:27
An e-mail has been sent out to everyone that expressed interest. Since there are multiple recipients please check your spam-mail as well.

Topic is: Elbrus 2005
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Daisy on Oct 25 2004, 14:25
An e-mail has been sent out to everyone that expressed interest. Since there are multiple recipients please check your spam-mail as well.

Topic is: Elbrus 2005

Hi Buddha,

Can I please be included on this mail list?

Thanks
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: 7summits on Oct 25 2004, 14:55


Hi Buddha,

Can I please be included on this mail list?

Thanks

Hey! I did not get any email  :()

um did I forget to express my interest?  ::)

I might actually be going back there next summer for pictures etc, so would be fun to go together. But of course we must book through 7summits.com (for Pilgrim Tours prices), maybe I can even build a private group for us.

But it all depends on 'real' jobs as with my prices I do nopt make enough to make a living out of these trips...  :P

 O0
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Oct 25 2004, 18:50
Hi Daisy and Harry,

Would be good to give me an email or something like that.

I sent the mail to Daisy on [email deleted] and Harry on [email deleted]

Would love to see you both on the trip and Harry would prove extremely valueable! I will try and get the website up and running tonight!
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Oct 25 2004, 22:43
Hello ppl,

I've included everyone that is interested in this journey on my "mailing-list". As I have no knowledge of Elbrus, except of what I read and heard about from friends IRL I am hoping for someone with a lot more experience to step up and maybe help organize the whole thing... HARRY! This is where you come in ;)
Would be neat with a private group instead of going with a lot of people that don't "belong" to us...

I've started to gather information about each and every person that is interested in joining and putting this together in a website that I will announce within a few days.
Would be nice if you all could mail me more info on yourselves. Maybe a pic or 2? Preferably larger then smaller, maybe 500x500 pixels.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Mari on Oct 26 2004, 13:48
if you want to send me email, please use the mnteverest.net address. I just noticed that the other one doesn't work  :_[ 
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: MikeW on Oct 26 2004, 20:27
Hey Guys!

You want to see a nice view from the summit of Elbrus, that's me on the left.  ;D ;D ;D

(http://www.roussinwaechter.com/Elbrus summit.jpg)

And by the way, look at the view of tha Caucasus 2 hours earlier from over 5000m.  :o ;)

(http://www.roussinwaechter.com/Caucasus.jpg)

MikeW
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Ron on Oct 26 2004, 21:09
Nice pics Mike...when i see pics like these something starts itching :P

(no harry not what you think)
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: 7summits on Oct 26 2004, 21:15
Nice pics Mike...when i see pics like thse something strats itching :P

(no harry not what you think)

LOL   :lol)

Cool pix though MikeW, thanks for sharing  8)
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Oct 26 2004, 22:43
Really nice pics! Too bad for you guys about the white-out/bad weather you had on the summit picture...
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Daisy on Oct 27 2004, 04:12
They are great pictures MikeW....I'd love to be there!
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Chong lay chin on Oct 27 2004, 13:11
 Hi buddha ,
                 Can you add me into your mailing lists ? I am glad to have companions
                  to climb . Update me the details  :lol)


   Regards ,
   lay chin
           
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: trunl on Oct 28 2004, 05:01
if you want to send me email, please use the mnteverest.net address. I just noticed that the other one doesn't work  :_[ 

oh my god....... someone else has a mnteverest.net address.... i thought i was the only one!!!


trunl
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Mari on Oct 28 2004, 12:43
 :lol) :lol)
What?? Is that a bad thing...? ;)
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: trunl on Oct 29 2004, 04:23
no, its just that i have never met anyone that has a mnteverest.net address.



trunl
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Chong Lay Chin on Oct 31 2004, 07:50
    Hi ,
         I  decided to go for a brief shopping for  climbing gears and winter gears
         at the adventure stores . I just browse and the shop owner listed me the
         things needed at least for mountaineering purposes to Mt Elbrus . I will
         list it down below .

          Harness ( 1 set )
           Figure of 8 ( 1 set )
           Lockgate thus carabine ( 2 sets )
           pussic  cord ( 5mm ) ( 2 sets )
           Montrail boots - for base
                                 - mountaineering
           Full crampons ( 1 set )
           Thermal underwear wear ( 2 sets )
           Polar tex fleece ( 1 set )
           Jacket Gore-tex ( 1 set )
           Pants Gore-tex ( 1 set )
           Gaiter ( 1 set )
           Glove liner ( 1 set )
           Glove Fleece windstopper ( 1 set )
           Cap polar tec windstopper ( 1 set )
           Ice Axe ( 1 set )
           Walking Sticks ( 1 set )
           Sungoggle ( 1 set )
           Sleeping bag ( -20 degree celsius ) ( 1 set )

       Can some one please check my my buying lists ? What is missing in the lists
       that I forget ?



   Regards ,
   Lay Chin 
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Chong Lay Chin on Oct 31 2004, 08:15
     Hi ppl ,
               Which airline takes me from Singapore to Moscow ? I also find out that
                need an internal flight to Caucasus mountains ( 2-hrs ) ?

                 Is the package for the 11-days trip cost  Euros 1050 ???

                 I am doing my budget now . Please advice me  :lol)


     
         
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: 7summits on Oct 31 2004, 13:53
Hi Chong Lay Lin,

please check this Elbrus FAQ as well, about gear, flights etc (http://7summits.com/elbrus/trips_faq.php?list=subcategory&lang=en&prog=p1&catnr=5&nr=6).

As you can read there the internal flight between Moscow and the Caucasus is included in our packages, whicairlines flies from your place to Moscow I don't know but you can ask that to any local travel agent or check online.
 8)
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Oct 31 2004, 17:09
     Hi ppl ,
               Which airline takes me from Singapore to Moscow ? I also find out that
                need an internal flight to Caucasus mountains ( 2-hrs ) ?
                 Is the package for the 11-days trip cost  Euros 1050 ???
                 I am doing my budget now . Please advice me  :lol)

Concerning the internal flight in Moscow, the agency we book through will help us book that flight. The cost for the internal flight in 190 Euros.

The cost for the trip we are going on depends on if we go with the guided tour that Pilgrim Tours have, then it will be around 800 Euros, or if we buy their Lite Package and go ourselves up the mountain. Then it will be a lot cheaper.

Also concerning your gear list I think it looks pretty good. I never been there before but I have read the gear list on Pilgrim Tours and they recommend the same stuff basically with one BIG difference, the sleeping bag. You don't need a -20 sleeping bag IF we go with the guided group but if we go alone it will come in handy! If we go guided you only need a +-0 sleeping bag.
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Mari on Nov 1 2004, 14:41
Do you really need to have a harness, carabiners, etc. with you?? I'm not much of a mountaineer (yet  ;) ) but that gear just seems unnecessary. Am I right?
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: MoT on Nov 1 2004, 15:35
You don't strictly NEED them unless there's a problem or you're on a big route up the peak. i brought harness, krabs etc with me when I went in 2002. And our guides did bring ropes - i think it was just in the event of things going tits up and us coming down the wrong way. As it happened a dreadful storm enshrouded us and that could easily have happened but we navigated down through the whiteout and got on to the regular route so still didn't need them.
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Nov 2 2004, 22:56
Hey everyone,

I'm almost finished with the website now. I had to do some alterations which took a little longer then I had thought at first.

The people on my mailinglist for the "expedition" will get the URL for the website tomorrow. Please take a look at your own profile there and write down an email to me to fill in the blanks.

// Buddha
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: MikeW on Nov 3 2004, 00:53
Hey Buddha!

Even if I climbed Elbrus this past June, put me on the mailing list. We never know if I could take a couple of week of free time this coming summer!!! ;)

MikeW
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Chong Lay Chin on Nov 3 2004, 16:35

  Hi Buddha ,
                 I would like to single out a guy who will be interested in this trip too .
                  His name is MATTEW . He can be reach at mattewpetering@yahoo.com .
                  He is free from May till August 2005 . He is Singapore at the moment .
                  Please include him into the mailing lists . Can you  e-mail to invite him
                  into the group ? Can you add his profile in the upcoming website too ?
                  I wish that he could join us . Please update him the details . Thank you !


   Regards ,
   Lay Chin
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Nov 3 2004, 22:55
The website for the expedition is now up and running. More members will be added shortly as there are several more people that expressed interest in joining the group.

Also most of the pages are not working as of now. The only ones that are is the member pages. The other pages will be added and finished within the next coming days!

Cheers,

Buddha
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: trunl on Nov 4 2004, 01:59
can we others check out the website???



trunl
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Nov 4 2004, 02:57
Sure, I actually meant to post the URL to the website in the former message but forgot :)

http://www.7summits.com/elbrus05/
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Mari on Nov 5 2004, 13:19
I haven't gotten any emails since the first one...You guys don't want me to come along or what??  :'( ;)
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Nov 5 2004, 13:21
Of course we want you to come along Mari! You are listed among the members on the website. The reason you haven't received an e-mail since the first mail is because that is the only mail I've sent out! :)

One more will come during the weekend!
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Mari on Nov 5 2004, 14:10
Ok... :) Is the date set already? Will the expedition be guided or unguided? I have to admit that the lite package cost sounds better than the other...
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Nov 5 2004, 14:14
Mari, no date set yet. I hope that we all can agree on a date. Unguided would be best in order to save money. I know for me that I can sure go as cheap as possible. Don't mind sleeping in tents and making my own meals.
For me the Lite-package sounds better as well!
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Mari on Nov 5 2004, 14:33
I'm good with any date after 01.06.2004. Sleeping in tents etc. sounds ok...I'm an expert in budget travelling  ;) 
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Nov 5 2004, 14:58
Ok, I've sent out e-mails to everyone now. So check your inbox and reply as soon as humanly possible ;)
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: MoT on Nov 8 2004, 15:35
Unguided would be best in order to save money

Er - you'd better be sure of the experience of all those who will definitely be climbing with you if that's what you're planning. Elbrus may be technically straight forward but it can be extremely deadly too...

You need to be sure of whoever's in your group
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Daisy on Nov 8 2004, 17:42
True, I'd rather save money in other ways....I would be in favour of getting a guide unless someone else on the team is experienced enough to facilitate the expedition?
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: MikeW on Nov 8 2004, 19:29
I agree! Last June we were in whiteout conditions and the presence of a guide who knew the mountain really well was definitely a good thing when we were coming down. The guide took a different route than coming up because of the visibility and the terrain.

Even in whiteout conditions you don't absolutely need a guide, with a good GPS it will do, but it would have been more difficult and dangerous. Plus like MoT said, be careful of the people in your group. In my group last June with Pilgrim, two people took the lite package and didn't even bring an ice axe. One of them was panicking and the other had to be roped up. They weren't the only one without an ice axe! Many people used crampons for the first time, and for a guy he lost his crampons 4 times during the ascent. :o

MikeW
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: MoT on Nov 8 2004, 20:10
All you have to do is think - "Could i get down unguided (and alive) from 5642m in the following situation:"

(http://www.tightropenet.com/elbrus/images/elbrus406.jpg)


And that's not the WORST situtation imaginable  :-\
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Nov 8 2004, 21:46
Since Harry has guided a couple of groups on Elbrus I think he is qualified enough to take us along without paying extra for a guide from Pilgrim Tours.
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: MoT on Nov 8 2004, 22:39
Ah...  :_[ Didn't know Harry was guiding. From your post it looked like you were hoping to go 'unguided'

You should do ok in that case  O0

Just out of interest, have you set your dates yet?
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Chong Lay Chin on Nov 12 2004, 07:38
      Harry , we are depending on your expertise to guide us up the mountain . I am working on my endurance and cardiovascular at the moment . I will get proper training on
technical ice montaineering during the early January 2005 . He ( Raymond Lee )  will be guiding me on technical mountaineering . He is an Outward bound instructor in Singapore . He will be in a better position to teach me . I will only purchase the climbing gears when it's near the departure dates . Air tickets will also be purchase when a comfirm dates are set . I am working 12-hrs night shift to get more cash for the trips . I expect that this trip will be costly  , so I am working very hard till june / july 2005 . Happy Thanksgiving !



 
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: JaclynS84 on Dec 28 2004, 09:19
hey, was wondering if i could be added to the mailing list for the elbrus trip.  I've climbed in Colorado and was thinking about doing Kilimanjaro this June, but I could do Elbrus if the price is right.

~J
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Dec 28 2004, 09:22
Hot with a body... well you are not lying in your AIM... ;)

Sure you can be added. I don't know if the trip will be done at the moment since the last mail I sent out nobody except Harry answered to..

I will try one more mail then I will go with an offer to join Scandinavian Ascents... but hopefully I will be able to go to Elbrus with all you fine people instead!  :)
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: JaclynS84 on Dec 28 2004, 09:29
cool, thanks.  i have a few people that wanna do kili, but they have about zero climbing experience, so they might not be the best people to add to the elbrus trip.  i have at least climbed 14ers in the snow, they've never even climbed, lol.
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Chapter_11 on Jan 8 2005, 02:05
How happy i was to find this post!!!!

My dad and I just got back from a successful summit of Aconcagua this December.  We did Kili last Sept.  Next up for us was Elbrus and we planned on using Pilgrim.  I actually found one of our teammates for Aconcagua on this board  - It would be great to do the same for Elbrus....Add me to the list....I may shoot a few of you an email.
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Mari on Jan 10 2005, 18:27
Quote from: Buddha
I don't know if the trip will be done at the moment since the last mail I sent out nobody except Harry answered to..

I will try one more mail then I will go with an offer to join Scandinavian Ascents... but hopefully I will be able to go to Elbrus with all you fine people instead!  :)

I'm still ready to go to Elbrus with you!! I'll send you an email today so check your messages...
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Feb 15 2005, 05:06
If anyone except me and Mari is still interested in joining us on an Elbrus trip in late July, early August you need to let us know before 30 March. This is in order to have time to talk as a group on what we can expect and to actually know which people are coming or not. As it has been so far too many people have expressed their interest but decided not to tag along once we've started talking about the trip itself.

The cost for the trip is 775 Euros, that does not however include roundtrip airfare from your preferred airport to Moscow International Airport.

Below is the intinerary for the trip:

Day 1. Arrive in Moscow. Transfer from International airport to hotel. Overnight stay in hotel. Depending on what time we arrive in Moscow this can be a day with sight-seeing.
Day 2. Transfer to domestic lines airport by taxi. Two-hour flight to Mineralnye Vody (Caucasus). Car drive (4 hrs.) to a mountain lodge in the Baksan valley near the foothills of Mt. Elbrus. Overnight stay in the lodge with dinner at the evening and breakfast in the morning.
Day 3. After breakfast we start from the mountain lodge and ride cable lifts. There are two parts of cable lift and one chairlift then. Lifts take us to the Garabashi lift station, the place where The Barrels huts are situated (3900 m). From the Barrels the snow and ice actually begin. We have to be back to Garabashi station at 3-4 pm to catch the lifts. Lunch in an Azau cafe. Dinner and overnight at the mountain lodge.
Day 4. After breakfast we start from the mountain lodge and ride cable lifts. There are two parts of cable lift and one chairlift then. Lifts take us to the Garabashi lift station, the place where The Barrels huts are situated (3900 m). From the Barrels the snow and ice actually begin. It takes us about 1 hour to get to the former Priut-11 hut site (4200 m). Now, the Diesel hut is situated there. If you feel ok that moment you can go further up to the beginning of Pastukhov rocks (4500 m). We stay over night either in tents a few hundred metres above the Barrels or spend a night in the Barrels (cost 7 Euros per person and night).
Day 5. Acclimatization hike and rest day. Just smaller hikes, not higher then 4,500 m.
Day 6. Move to a higher camp, approximately 4,500-4,800 metres up. Set up camp and make smaller acclimatization hikes.
Day 7. I would like to have this either as summit day or a rest day before we attempt the summit, since we moved so much the previous day.
Day 8. Summit day. Leave higher camp about 4 am for the climb of Elbrus’s west summit, 5,642 m. Descend to base camp.
Day 9. Reserve day for climbing Elbrus (in case of bad weather) or descent to the Baksan valley if we climb the summit on day 8. Dinner in the mountain lodge and we spend the night there as well.
Day 10. Descend to the Baksan Valley. Dinner in the mountain lodge and we spend the night there as well. If we’ve descended on day 8 we go for a hike either to the mineral springs or Mt. Cheget summit.
Day 11. Breakfast at the mountain lodge before going by car to Mineralnye Vody. Fly back to Moscow. Transfer from domestic airport to hotel. Overnight stay in a hotel.
Day 12. Check out from hotel and transfer to International Airport. Fly home!

Of course this intinerary is subject to change depending on the number of participants but should hold.

Anyone interested can send me an e-mail!

Cheers,

Andreas
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Daisy on Feb 15 2005, 22:08
Hi Buddha

What does the cost 775€ include?

Thanks
D
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: MikeW on Feb 16 2005, 01:49
Hey Buddha!

Let me give some advice about your itinerary. On day 3, we climbed Mt Cheget to the 3500m summit and we had great views of Elbrus across the valley. I think that 3500m for a first day of acclimatization is more than enough, remember you were at sea level 24 hours earlier.

By the way, the Barrels are at 3700m and Diesel hut is at 4100m. On day 4, we took the trams and the chairlift to the Barrels and hiked to Diesel hut at 4100m and got back down to the valley (climb high, sleep low). Again, 4100m is more than enough for a second day at altitude even if you feel great, remember we took 4 days to get to base camp at 4200m on Aconcagua.

On day 5, we took our stuff to sleep at the Barrels and made an acclimatization hike at the top of the Pashtukov rocks at 4800m. That was a tough hike for most people in the group because of the rapid altitude gain.

On day 6 was rest day with a short acclimatization hike to Diesel hut at 4100m to have lunch to get a better acclimatization. Day 7 was summit day with a departure from the Barrels by foot at 2:00am and by snowcat at 3:15am. It took one fellow climber from Ireland 14 hours round trip from the Barrels.

I don't know where you are going to put your high camp, because over the Pashtukov rocks at 4500m to the saddle over 5100m, it's all inclined. And even at the Pashtukov rocks, I don't remember a good place to camp.

If you have a spare day in the valley after summiting Elbrus, you should go to the valley next to Terskol close to the observatory at the base of Elbrus. There is a waterfall after a 4 hours hike that's simply gorgeous.

Have a great trip and a great climb, the Caucasus are beautiful and it's a good place to gain experience for higher summits. Have fun!

MikeW
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Feb 16 2005, 04:50
Hi Buddha

What does the cost 775€ include?

Thanks
D

Hi Daisy,

The cost includes the following stuff:
1. Visa support
2. OVIR registration
3. Border zone registration
4. National park fee (US$ 20) - the new registration fee.
5. Meeting, transfer from International airport to hotel
6. Hotel "Izmailovo Alfa" accommodation, twin/single room, without breakfast, 2 nights
7. Transfer from Hotel to Domestic Airport
8. Domestic flight from Moscow to MinVody Airport
9. Meeting at MinVody airport. Transfer "MinVody airport - Terskol" and backwards
10. Accomodation in a mountain lodge, 2 meals a day, shared 2-3 bed rooms. 3 or 4 nights depending on when we make it to the summit of Elbrus.
11. Elbrus region plan/map.
12. Baggage room at the mountain lodge for pieces that you don't want to carry up on the mountain.
13. A local guide for Mt. Elbrus climb (1 night, which means he comes up in the evening, starts climb with us at 2-4 am and returns back to the Valley same day.
14. A local guide for hiking around (1 day, from 8 am to 8 pm) in the case that we make it to the summit on the first attempt. This hike is a good time to go to Mt. Cheget.
15. English and German speaking representative support.
16. Transfer from Domestic Airport in Moscow to Hotel
17. Transfer from Hotel to International Airport

18. Depending on the number of people that sign up there might also be a T-Shirt with a print on from our expedition.

Since I don't run a business like Harry does, I am not interested in "getting" any cash out of this expedition or trip. When we've calculated the costs we've come to the conclusion that the total cost will be somewhere around 775 Euros. Of course this is also subject to change since we might not spend 4 nights in the mountain lodge and thus not hire a local guide for the hike to Mt. Cheget or Mineral Springs. So, any and all cash that don't go to paying stuff will be refunded equally among all participants. Hopefully each and every one of you will trust me enough for that, who knows?
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Feb 16 2005, 05:14
Hey Buddha!

Let me give some advice about your itinerary. On day 3, we climbed Mt Cheget to the 3500m summit and we had great views of Elbrus across the valley. I think that 3500m for a first day of acclimatization is more than enough, remember you were at sea level 24 hours earlier.

By the way, the Barrels are at 3700m and Diesel hut is at 4100m. On day 4, we took the trams and the chairlift to the Barrels and hiked to Diesel hut at 4100m and got back down to the valley (climb high, sleep low). Again, 4100m is more than enough for a second day at altitude even if you feel great, remember we took 4 days to get to base camp at 4200m on Aconcagua.

On day 5, we took our stuff to sleep at the Barrels and made an acclimatization hike at the top of the Pashtukov rocks at 4800m. That was a tough hike for most people in the group because of the rapid altitude gain.

On day 6 was rest day with a short acclimatization hike to Diesel hut at 4100m to have lunch to get a better acclimatization. Day 7 was summit day with a departure from the Barrels by foot at 2:00am and by snowcat at 3:15am. It took one fellow climber from Ireland 14 hours round trip from the Barrels.

I don't know where you are going to put your high camp, because over the Pashtukov rocks at 4500m to the saddle over 5100m, it's all inclined. And even at the Pashtukov rocks, I don't remember a good place to camp.

If you have a spare day in the valley after summiting Elbrus, you should go to the valley next to Terskol close to the observatory at the base of Elbrus. There is a waterfall after a 4 hours hike that's simply gorgeous.

Have a great trip and a great climb, the Caucasus are beautiful and it's a good place to gain experience for higher summits. Have fun!

MikeW
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Hey Mike,

The intinerary isn't carved in stone, so if the members of the group feel like we should change something we will do that in a democratic way. I am all for climbing Mt. Cheget. I've seen a lot of gorgeous pictures of Elbrus that are taken from Cheget.

According to Pilgrim Tours the Barrels are located at 3.900 meters and the Diesel Hut at 4.200 meters. Now, this may be wrong but they spend a lot of time there so...
The Mt. Elbrus page on Summitpost says that the Barrels are at 3.800 meters and the Diesel Hut at 4.200 meters.

Now, I'm NOT trying to be bossy here cause I haven't been there yet so I can't really tell. But Summitpost's mountain page has received over 10.161 hits that are all experienced mountaineers, and then me of course.

Anyway, let's just say that it is high up.

Now, concerning camp sites for tents high up, I've talked to a lot of people who have given me suggestions on where to put up the tents. Most of them suggests the following:
Just above the old Priut 11 hut there is plenty of space for camping. This is the normal basecamp. Most people stay on the left side of the glaciar, camping between the rocks. Some go to the rocks on the far left, seeking for a more quiet place to stay.
Above that the next point is Elbrus saddle. There is a hut ruins before the saddle. You can stay near the ruins. Also there is a kind of  ice cave nearby. It is heated by volcano steam, so it is possible to stay there even without a tent. Now this might be too high up for us to put a camp...
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: MoT on Feb 17 2005, 17:14
I reckon camping in the saddle is a bit much unless you're training for a higher peak immeiately after climbing Elbrus.

Regarding the natural snow cave - it's not that big but it IS worth looking for it when you get up to the hut just in case of bad weather or anything like that hitting you  on the way down. It's reportedly around 5 degrees celcius in it all the time. We used it to warm ourselves up in bad weather - not by going into it, but by clearing away the snow built up around it - the exercise warmed us rather than anything else!  ;D
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: ICAN on Mar 7 2005, 21:18
Curious, is the trip still going ahead?
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Mari on Mar 8 2005, 01:46
Yes it is. So far it looks like there are just two of us going, Buddha and me. If someone else is interested, you should let us know as soon as possible.

Buddha? Is there something you'd like to add?
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Mar 8 2005, 04:04
No, nothing really interesting right now. I am still waiting for an answer from Daisy if she is coming or not. We will book the trip in early April so you still have about 3-4 weeks to decide if you want to come with Mari and me to Russia... No date is set in stone yet but we've been talking about late July, early August for departure..
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: ICAN on Mar 31 2005, 01:36
I am still interested, but I will be  honest, I have the stamina, fitness, enthusiasm etc, etc, and a little experience, but if the MrHanky was to hit the fan (lets be honest) I am not sure I could get myself and others out of a "situation"  having popped into a crevasse at 3800m where I was stopped by the good rope skills of my partners, I am nervous about going it on my own...... it seems like none of the group "know" the mountain and are not the most experienced and that makes me nervous..

not meaning to offend anyone, but expressing my thoughts...

regards,
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Mar 31 2005, 05:22
Hi!

Right you are that none in the group have really high-altitude experience. Because of this we will hire a guide from Pilgrim Tours who will come with us during the summitday. Prior to that we will only be going in the tracks of other people, and up to Paschtukova Rocks. I think we will be safe riding the lifts even if none of us has any previous experience of mountaineering. There might also be a third participant who is a doctor from Sweden, semi-experienced... not sure if he is coming or not though...

Our experience consists basically of climbing Mt. Kebnekaise, something that both me and Mari has done earlier. Kebnekaise is Swedens highest mountain (2.142 metres) snowcovered all the time, although no altitude to speak of.

If you choose to go with us, then you are more then welcome. Otherwise we might see each other on the mountain, who knows?

We have delayed the previous date of booking the trip until May instead because of cash-flow problems for one of the members! ;) So, think about it then decide what you want to do.

Cheers,

Andreas
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Mari on Mar 31 2005, 12:39
;) Cash-flow problems...that's me! But I'm working now and just have to wait for my first paycheck.
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Mar 31 2005, 23:56
Hrrmm, well I was actually referring to myself. So, we can safely say that we both have a cash-flow problem, however mine will be solved on monday! :)
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Mari on Apr 1 2005, 12:05
 :D So is this what it's always gonna be like? Do rich climbers even exist? ::)
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Apr 4 2005, 08:57
Sure it does.... Ed Viesturs is pretty rich, isn't he? Other then him, I don't know really...
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Mari on Apr 4 2005, 12:34
True...I guess he is pretty rich ::). He is on his way to Cho Oyu right now with Veikka Gustafsson (my idol :) ).

Check out the daily dispatches: http://www.greatoutdoors.com/published/general/expeditions/liveedviestursclimbschooyu/
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Apr 5 2005, 13:13
Veikka obviously has enough sponsors to live a good and "rich" life as well. I mean, he spends more of his time in the Himalayas then in Finland, or so it seems...

I hope they make Cho Oyu and then Annapurna.. Would be nice for Viesturs to finally manage all 8000'ers.. I think Annapurna is his last?
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Mari on Apr 6 2005, 01:01
Quote from: Buddha
I think Annapurna is his last?
Yeah, it is.

And I'd be sooooo happy if I could one day climb my first 8000+ mountain..
 :eek) :eek) See my glazed eyes? That's what happens when I just think about it ;D
 

Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Apr 6 2005, 01:51
Hahaha... I could tell you what I get glazed eyes :eek)  from but since you know my kind of humour I think you can figure it out! ;)

Seriously, I would love to tackle the quest of an 8000+ mountain but before that I have loads of lower mountains to climb. ::)
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: MikeW on Apr 6 2005, 03:01
I'm looking to join an expedition to Broad Peak (8047m) in 2007. That would be nice, but the only problem except for the price is the length of the trip (50 days).

Views of K2 and G1 and G2, Wow!!! :o

MikeW
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Apr 10 2005, 13:39
Mike, that sounds awesome! Hope you make it to whatever peak it is.
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Andreas on Jul 23 2005, 17:47
Any development with your expedition? When are you going?
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Jaybird-99 on Nov 11 2005, 22:02
Hi,

Did this trip happen ?

Interested in how you found Pilgrim Tours

cheers

John
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: The Little Blonde Girl on Nov 20 2005, 16:35
Heej jag agar och jag ar en snygg svensk blondin ::)
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Nov 22 2005, 04:19
Hi,

Did this trip happen ?

Interested in how you found Pilgrim Tours

cheers

John

Hey John,

No.. The trip didn't happen. Me and Mari still haven't given up hope on going there some day though.

As to Pilgrim Tours. They were very good as far as we dealt with them and even though we didn't get to go this time you can rest asure that we will use them next time to set everything up for us in Russia.
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: Buddha on Nov 22 2005, 04:20
Heej jag agar och jag ar en snygg svensk blondin ::)

agar is't a swedish word and it's also "jag är en snygg svensk blondin".. Good try though!
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: MoT on Nov 22 2005, 18:51
I would highly recommend Pilgrim Tours - have travelled with them to the area twice
Title: Re: June/July 2005
Post by: 7summits on Nov 24 2005, 14:14
I am closing this topic as the expedition has passed, off-topic discussions are starting and most of all some chinese spambot is spamming it. :?)

Please start new topics for separate discussions.
Cheers,
7summits